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crazystorygirl |
40. RE: The Chronicles of Atheism part three- the death of god
Dec 9 2007, 9:47 AM EST
i dont really go to chruch either. but i do know what they preach. both sides of my family have alot of religous people but i really think that most of them are not christains. i can tell about how they treat other people. but i do know where i stand. i believe that there is a god but i will not follow something a book tells me to.
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thechildrenoftherevo |
41. RE: The Chronicles of Atheism part three- the death of god
Dec 9 2007, 6:11 PM EST
it sounds to me as if you might almost be an athiest. please do not take anoy of this the wrong way, i am not trying to convert you, i am just trying to help.my dad went to church for years, but once i had "Come Out" as an athiest, he began to question his own fatih. he realised that he did believe in god, but not all the stuff that went with god. that is to say, he believed in god, but not in the church, so he stoped going he stil believes in somthing, but if that somthing is god or not, i do not know. what i do know is that he believes a lot of hte things that christians are supposed to believe, and is a better man than lots of them. doing somthing good makes you a good person, but if you do somthing good becasue you have decided to, then you are a great person. doing somthing just becasue someone tells you to is weak religion is not only the most evil thing to ever exist, it is also the greatest sign of weakness. Do you find this valuable? |
Librarydave |
42. Press Release from the President of the American Library Association
Dec 10 2007, 10:04 AM EST
Thought you may be interested to read this...http://www.ala.org/Template.cfm?Section=News&template=/ContentManagement/ContentDisplay.cfm&ContentID=169110 Your comments, please. Do you find this valuable? |
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thechildrenoftherevo |
43. RE: Press Release from the President of the American Library Association
Dec 10 2007, 1:18 PM EST
WELL DONE THAT (WO)MAN!if these people want this "pro-athiest propaganda" removed from libraries becasue it goes against their belifes, then surly, in a right and just society, they should also remove the bible, the koran, and all other religous books, as all of these books go against my belifes! well done Dave! Do you find this valuable? |
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crazystorygirl |
44. RE: Press Release from the President of the American Library Association
Dec 11 2007, 8:34 AM EST
i agree. if they are going to remove books about a belief than they should remove all religous books. because fi they dont they are saying that those that are athiests are not equal to those who kill to worship their god. what will they do next? make those who are athiests ride at the back of the bus? go to a different school? i am sick of people that look down upon those that dont believe in a god.
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thechildrenoftherevo |
45. RE: Press Release from the President of the American Library Association
Dec 11 2007, 5:30 PM EST
the problem is that there is no uniformed organiseation for athiesm. there are groups and such, but there is nothing on the same sort of scale as the catholic curch, dispite the fact that there are at least as many athiests as catholics.if there was some sort of organiseation, like a church, with regular meetings, songs, coffie mornings etc, like a normal church, but for athiests, then the world would be a beter place Do you find this valuable? |
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thechildrenoftherevo |
46. What Richard Says.
Dec 11 2007, 6:05 PM EST
was it not Richard Dawkins who once said "Whether religion is present or not, Good people will always do good things, evil people will always do evil things. But for good people to do evil things; that takes religion".
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Archaon6044 |
47. RE: Press Release from the President of the American Library Association
Dec 13 2007, 2:32 PM EST
"if these people want this "pro-athiest propaganda" removed from libraries becasue it goes against their belifes, then surly, in a right and just society, they should also remove the bible, the koran, and all other religous books, as all of these books go against my belifes!i agree 100%^2 with this statement. it is perfectly logical! Do you find this valuable? |
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Archaon6044 |
48. RE: What Richard Says.
Dec 13 2007, 2:34 PM EST
if there was an organisation such as this, then what would we do? "Hello! do you beleive in God?" "Why no i don't! that's why we're here!" "Oh indeed!"
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thechildrenoftherevo |
49. RE: What Richard Says.
Dec 13 2007, 5:25 PM EST
athiesim is the only veiwpoint that makes any sence. more than that, it is th only one that acepets that it might be wrong.ifi was to see somthing that proved god existed 100 %, then i would belive in him. i would hate him, and do everything in my power to distry him, but i would believe in him if Jesus was to come back, then, as he is also god, he would be exicuted for crimes agains humanity. just look at all the wars that have been in his name, look at all the genocide, all the pain and suffering that hasd come about as a direct conciquence of people beliving in god! are you telling me that is what he would have wanted for hischildren? i think not! Do you find this valuable? |
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crazystorygirl |
50. RE: though
Dec 18 2007, 10:33 AM EST
i agree with some of the things that you said thechildrenoftherevo,but i have to disagree on the rest. though i dont think that god nor jesus meant for all these wars to happen, but some people really need to believe in something. because they have nothing else to keep them going at hard times. whether it is believing in santa, the toothfairy, or in god, they still have something to believe in. which brings me to wonder why christains would say that there is not a santa. i mean christmas is a christain holiday. and santa clause is suppose to exist because he brings gifts to all the children in the world on christmas eve. and is supposed to a christain thing. but i think a parent just made it up for a very naught kid by saying that if you are not good than santa will put coal in your stockings this year. but even if that is how it was started, it givings young kids something to believe in. but i like i said some people need something to believe in.
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thechildrenoftherevo |
51. RE: though
Dec 18 2007, 11:44 AM EST
first of all, call me child, please, evryone else doessecondly, most of what we think of as christmas is rooted in the pagan winter festavils. things like the holly, the mistletoe, the feasting, it all has it roots is paganism. all the christians did was come along and take the bits that they liked for themselves. the Santa that most people think of today, the jooly fat man in red, was invented by Coca Cola, as an adversising stunt, i think in the late 19th or early 20th century, and o is not that old at all. i would say more, but have no time. i hope that this helps. Do you find this valuable? |
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Archaon6044 |
52. RE: though
Dec 18 2007, 1:48 PM EST
the idea of Father Christmas comes from St. Nicholas, who threw the bags of money down the chmney of the poor family so that the three daughters could marry. he wore a thick green coat with white fur trim and lining.the red fat geezer is Coke's adea. Do you find this valuable? |
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Archaon6044 |
53. RE: though
Dec 18 2007, 1:54 PM EST
"some people really need to believe in something. because they have nothing else to keep them going at hard times. "then they are weak. they are like people drowning after their ship has sunk. clingeing to the wreckage desperatly thinking that someone will only be a few minutes away who can help. the rest of us would find a stable floatation device, and hold on, knowing help should be on the way, and waiting for it patiently. some would give up on evderyhitng, unable to accept the hand dealt by fate. they fold Do you find this valuable? |
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thechildrenoftherevo |
54. RE: though
Dec 19 2007, 9:33 AM EST
i must say that you are right, and that people are weak. the sailors of the 17trh and 18th century had it right. they would not learn how to swim, perfering a quick drowing rather than a long drawn out battle for lifei would rahter put my life in liferaft that i know exists than in a pryer to someone who does not Do you find this valuable? |
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crazystorygirl |
55. RE: though
Dec 20 2007, 9:57 AM EST
it does not always mean that they are weak. what if they have had a really bad life? what is to keep them going? some of these people that do not think that anyone cares for them find comfort in what they believe. they are doing something that they think can ensure their lives. and who are we to say that they are weak? would we not be just like the ones who mock and givings us a hard time because we do not believe in the something? Do you find this valuable? |
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crazystorygirl |
56. RE:they dont want
Dec 20 2007, 10:01 AM EST
us to talk about god in school. but they also dont want us to say anything against god in school either. i was listening to the news the other day and they were talking about a student suing a teacher and the school because the teacher said that god does not exist. i think it was wrong of the teacher to say that to the class but he has a right to say it.
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thechildrenoftherevo |
57. RE: they dont want
Dec 21 2007, 6:15 AM EST
but the teacher whas right to say that there is no god!and why should someone have somthing to belive in? life is not easy for anyone, we all have our porblerms! when i was growing up, i was only told about christianity, and i see that as a form of child abuse. it is wrong to talk of a catholic child, or an islamic child, they are too young to make up their own minds all children are borm athiest! Do you find this valuable? |
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Archaon6044 |
58. RE: they dont want
Dec 21 2007, 11:47 AM EST
i get by without beliving in anything. i just take life as it is. if it sucks, what do i do about it? Give life a soar throat on my way through, give it the finger and carry on to the next problem. i endure quite well.i have no faith in mankind, due to the current state of the world as we have made it, and the idiocy i hear about persistantly. Do you find this valuable? |
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thechildrenoftherevo |
59. RE: they dont want
Dec 28 2007, 5:38 AM EST
i do not know who said it, but i was dead for milions of years before i was born, and it dfid not seem too bad.
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